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Forgive my ignorance but what Is the problem & what Is the Answer
November 7, 2011
9:27 AM
cris.jeffery
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So after attending and mingling with some of the team I have gotten a picture of the problem- economic inequality if sorts and the blatant wrongs the rich are making versus the poor and even middle class that may be avoidable. But what is the answer- hi banks fork over all the extra money your making. Revert and amend all of your policies that make life harder for us (aka 99%). And amendment on the supreme court's level to a call they made in the past. Or an entirely new law?
I want to help, I just need a focus to make a change.

November 7, 2011
12:44 PM
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Right now there is about half of the 99% that think that if they act like they are part of the 1% they will get to be part of the 1%. Some of them actually think they are the 1%. We are trying to build awareness to the fact that the 1% control everything including the regulations that they complain are such a "burden". Building awareness is what protests are for. As people wake up and become more aware the 99% becomes more powerful and we can force our goverment to be a democracy once again.

November 7, 2011
7:30 PM
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So after we build awareness then what- I personally feel that until this country can obtain unity in hearts and minds that we might not be able to make a change with "them" holding wool over everyone's eyes. I think there may be a way in the legal system of a lawsuit versus the state/nation for grievances made by hoarding money as the rest of the country goes into economical shutdown while dictators in their own system steal away from the public, enslaving the general populace for their own needs and rules.
Even in law there is morally right and wrong and we are approaching a level of humanity that needs to be considered.
Does anyone know of someone working in the heart of this movement with plans for that?

November 8, 2011
1:05 AM
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http://occupywallst.org/articl…..ashington/
Everybody is a leader. There is no central bureaucracy pulling strings. People look at the occupy revolution and don't see the hierachical power structure they are used to seeing in politics. So, they are immediately confused. It is a completely alien idea to most people. We are all beat over the head with hierarchy from the time we are born so "naturally" we tend to feel that "looking up" to someone is the way of progress. However, this way of thinking is guranteed to insure nepotism and consolidation of power in the bourgeoisie.

November 9, 2011
1:15 PM
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I'm talking about someone with the education and knowledge of our legal system and current legislative state. I have legal veil points of how inhumane and immoral this entire country has become. There are two things I believe make this great
Big green globe go round. Kowledge and power. Power is money and knowledge is rhetorical.
So we have no money, but we need power to make a change. So we need knowledge
I see two options- we can gain awareness of the problem and over the course of five-ten years one day these systems (their systems) will crumble once the entire population actually opposes them
Or B, B is that we work the system just as every palm slicked politician and lobbyist has by pushing laws through the system with legal know how. I have a feeling that these Same lawmakers have become sloppy in indulgence and under the right microscope can be upturned. We need the knowledge to see though
Who do we know or can contact to find out? If the answer is none I'm setting out as my own legal pioneer but time is of essence here.

November 9, 2011
4:44 PM
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What is the Occupy Movement?

When it comes to the occupy movement, you either “get it” or you don’t. Most people who don’t get it want those of us in the movement or are sympathetic to the movement to define it for them. They want to know what our demands are (like this is some sort of hostage negotiation), they what to know what it’s all about (Alfie?) They want to fit it into a single frame of reference with which they are familiar.

There is a problem with that.

The occupy movement doesn’t fit into any one or maybe even one hundred frames of reference. It is so much more.

Recently I posted this as a response on a message board.

    HIM: Without a reasonable goal you can't hope to attain it--this applies to anything, not just protests.

    ME: Maybe a "goal" is to get people to wake up, stand up, and "to stand astride history and say 'Stop!'"

    Maybe a "goal" is to get people to reconsider their basic assumptions about how society should be engineered (yeah, I said it)

    Maybe a "goal" is to demand first from our institutions that they be moral and humane and dedicated to relieving an ill-served humanity.

    Maybe a "goal" is to make sociopathy a bad thing once again.

    Maybe a "goal" is to bring people together in empowering community not keep them apart in cells of isolated individualism.

Maybe a "goal" is to "speak the truth and shame the devil"

Occupy isn’t just about banks; isn’t just about unemployment or under employment; isn’t just about beating drums and camping out and being all radical; isn’t just about disaffected youth; isn’t just about government being a wholly owned subsidiary of business; isn’t just about the Koch brothers; isn’t just about Citizens United; isn’t just about collective bargaining rights; isn’t just about the 101 things any one member could tell you over a beer on cool autumn evening; but it is about all these things and a whole lot more.

Occupy is about
• Asking the church how can it preach a prosperity gospel based on investment in environmental destruction, resource depletion, debt, poverty wages, and slavery?
• Asking the university how it can teach that knowing where a decimal point goes on a statement of profit and loss is more important to know than the answer to the question of evil in the world
• Asking the press how can it cover an election as though it was a horse race and pay little more than lip service to the systemic problems that these same politicians are elected to correct
• Asking the artist when did derivation replace imagination, cynicism replace passion and mindless repetition replace authentic voice
• Asking the various and sundry human rights organizations, labor unions, political parties, associations of conscience, etc. when exactly did you stop speaking for us and started speaking to us on behalf of the powers that be who would oppress us

We have questioned the basic assumptions of our institutions and our society and found the answers given wanting. It is no longer enough that our representatives simply fix our individual problems within the system, but we must FIX THE SYSTEM so we won’t keep having problems.

Occupy isn’t about fixing just a broken wheel, but about redesigning the vehicle, building new roads and questioning the purpose, course, and final destination of the journey.

November 10, 2011
9:06 AM
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Good luck to all of you
You will need it

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